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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:22 pm 
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IceBallz wrote:
Actually civilian guns are not made for human targets, in first place. But military guns are and those are made to wound human targets in the first place.


Absolutely incorrect. First of all, the vast majority of "civilian guns" use ammunition that militaries use. For instance, one of the most common and popular hunting rounds is the .308 Winchester cartridge... it's also known as 7.62x51 NATO - it's military (NATO) designation. It's the same way with .223 and 5.56x45. (Note that there are differences between the NATO-spec rounds and civilian rounds. Namely case pressures, bullet weight/diameter, ect.)

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A hit in a arm with a military gun and the arm is a limb. A hit in a arm with a civilian gun, you will have a in and out going hole in that arm. But you can still "maybe" use the arm or even better "fix it" up again... Military weapons are to make enemy soldiers to invalids and "out of order" in first place, remember it...


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So keep the civilian weapons out of games and streets where you live... Please... Civilian guns are made for hunting and "1 shot killing". Not spray and pray hunting in the woods... Retards...


Well, I guess we should be removing the M16, AK series, FAL, M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, K98 and variants, and about 2 dozen other firearms due to their "civilian" nature and because they are for "1 shot killing and not spray and pray hunting in woods."

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:27 pm 
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IceBallz wrote:
Why it's good to have wounding weapons in battle.

1) Luod scream of heavy pain of large wound. Make all your enemies scared out of only one hit and make their morale fall down fast.


I think one would scream loud and have a wound regardless of the cartridge he/she was shot with.

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2) If one enemy is hit by one of your bullets. Two of the enemies must help the one with the huge wound. So. Actually you hit one man, but take down three of them with one hit.


...And what do you think we do with our dead and mortally wounded? Leave them on the ground to wither and die? They get evac'd same as a wounded man. Flawed logic.

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3) A bullet of 5.56mm and in valocity over 750m/s will change it's way, some. Only by hitting a leaf of some bushes or the grass. And this will make more terrain being covered from your panic "cover fire" of full auto.


I don't even understand what you wrote here.

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4) Headshots is for snipers and hunters. Only one hit counts for a modern soldier. Becurse you can always hunt down a enemy made of limbs. If you need to, ofcurse. Becurse he wont not return, anyway.


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Ice's English translator has been failing lately it seems :P

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:51 am 
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Sturmwehr wrote:
IceBallz wrote:
Actually civilian guns are not made for human targets, in first place. But military guns are and those are made to wound human targets in the first place.


Absolutely incorrect. First of all, the vast majority of "civilian guns" use ammunition that militaries use. For instance, one of the most common and popular hunting rounds is the .308 Winchester cartridge... it's also known as 7.62x51 NATO - it's military (NATO) designation. It's the same way with .223 and 5.56x45. (Note that there are differences between the NATO-spec rounds and civilian rounds. Namely case pressures, bullet weight/diameter, ect.)

You right about the 7.62x51. But it's mostly planned to be used in open fields, urban warfare and warfare against mobile targets. And this ammo is made to not wound or destroy your animal target. It's done to kill it, if you hit it on right spot. Yeah most civilian guns have 5.56x45 but they still not get the same high velocity with a civilian gun "hunting rifle". So this will drop the effect of wounding.

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A hit in a arm with a military gun and the arm is a limb. A hit in a arm with a civilian gun, you will have a in and out going hole in that arm. But you can still "maybe" use the arm or even better "fix it" up again... Military weapons are to make enemy soldiers to invalids and "out of order" in first place, remember it...


No.

Yes. Belive me. You do everything to survive in jungle warfare. Ask me, I know.

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So keep the civilian weapons out of games and streets where you live... Please... Civilian guns are made for hunting and "1 shot killing". Not spray and pray hunting in the woods... Retards...


Well, I guess we should be removing the M16, AK series, FAL, M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, K98 and variants, and about 2 dozen other firearms due to their "civilian" nature and because they are for "1 shot killing and not spray and pray hunting in woods."

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Guess your right there. Hunting is made for skilled shooters.
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What's your point Ice, that someone used, what looks to be, a sporterized M1 Garand to hunt a buffalo?

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It's not a Garand, it's bolt action.

He's just saying most hunting rifles are made to be more precise, and sometimes more powerful. On the otherhand, military rifles are made to be rugged and easy to use, not necessarily dead accurate.

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