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thats one of the first really good points ive heard you make in a long time ... :lol: :wink: .

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ok i dident read all the stuff before mine, but no history isnt often writen by historians, its written by the victors. ever wonder why dresden brings no perk of ears like the london bombings would, ever wonder why NOBODY over here in our western world knows that stalin probably equaled hitler in a genocide count? well shhheeesh, thats because the criminals there were the victors, and btw, when you win a war, you erase all the nasty stuff you did, and point out all the bad stuff they did.

history itself might not be biased, however people who write it often are..


Just because it isnt well known dosent mean its not in the history books. Pop-history and real history are two very different things. The vast majority of people have never paid anything more than superficial attention to history.

Do you honestly thing that historians dont know about the crimes of Stalin? They dont know about Dresden? Do you honestly think they have not been writing about them?

Also, you may try to erase the crimes of the past, but you never can do so fully. From every massacre there is always someone who lives.

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.:}_50cA{_|neostyles:. wrote:
History is subjective.


But the goals of objectivity and accuracy should never be forsaken.

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Muhler wrote:
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ok i dident read all the stuff before mine, but no history isnt often writen by historians, its written by the victors. ever wonder why dresden brings no perk of ears like the london bombings would, ever wonder why NOBODY over here in our western world knows that stalin probably equaled hitler in a genocide count? well shhheeesh, thats because the criminals there were the victors, and btw, when you win a war, you erase all the nasty stuff you did, and point out all the bad stuff they did.

history itself might not be biased, however people who write it often are..


Just because it isnt well known dosent mean its not in the history books. Pop-history and real history are two very different things. The vast majority of people have never paid anything more than superficial attention to history.

Do you honestly thing that historians dont know about the crimes of Stalin? They dont know about Dresden? Do you honestly think they have not been writing about them?

Also, you may try to erase the crimes of the past, but you never can do so fully. From every massacre there is always someone who lives.


oh sure, the historians knowabout it, but its not in the textbooks..

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Colt .45 Killer wrote:
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ok i dident read all the stuff before mine, but no history isnt often writen by historians, its written by the victors. ever wonder why dresden brings no perk of ears like the london bombings would, ever wonder why NOBODY over here in our western world knows that stalin probably equaled hitler in a genocide count? well shhheeesh, thats because the criminals there were the victors, and btw, when you win a war, you erase all the nasty stuff you did, and point out all the bad stuff they did.

history itself might not be biased, however people who write it often are..


Just because it isnt well known dosent mean its not in the history books. Pop-history and real history are two very different things. The vast majority of people have never paid anything more than superficial attention to history.

Do you honestly thing that historians dont know about the crimes of Stalin? They dont know about Dresden? Do you honestly think they have not been writing about them?

Also, you may try to erase the crimes of the past, but you never can do so fully. From every massacre there is always someone who lives.


oh sure, the historians knowabout it, but its not in the textbooks..


That is because the textbooks are there to give the most general history. Many textbooks Ive seen have not even written about the Blitz on London or the Rape of Nanking.

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hrmm yes, its so funny how people learn of the atrocities of their enemies in school, but they dont learn of any of their own.....

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hrmm yes, its so funny how people learn of the atrocities of their enemies in school, but they dont learn of any of their own.....


I would argue that they dont learn either, based on personal observations.

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well, everyone ususaly learns that hitler murdered 6 million people .. thats like the par for learning in this section. but yes , generally people get more stuff about fur traders drilled into their heads then they do about the atrocities in the last 100 years. sadreally , because when you dont know the mistakes of the people before you, your very likely to make those mistakes again.

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.:}_50cA{_|neostyles:. wrote:
History is subjective.


But the goals of objectivity and accuracy should never be forsaken.

Human nature makes that impossible.

Our media is tied to our government and has been conditioning us from day 1.

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.:}_50cA{_|neostyles:. wrote:
Muhler wrote:
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History is subjective.


But the goals of objectivity and accuracy should never be forsaken.

Human nature makes that impossible.

Our media is tied to our government and has been conditioning us from day 1.


Full objectivity is impossible, that is true. That said, the goal of objectivity should not be abandoned, otherwise the whole profession of history is pointless. We should all just become novelists to amuse the general public. Personally, I will not abandon the pursuit of objectivity in my work and writing. It is always something I have had to work around, but as long as I am aware of my biases it is doable.

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.:}_50cA{_|neostyles:. wrote:
Muhler wrote:
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History is subjective.


But the goals of objectivity and accuracy should never be forsaken.

Human nature makes that impossible.

Our media is tied to our government and has been conditioning us from day 1.


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