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 Post subject: Communist Revolutions
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:28 pm 
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It seems pretty clear that the game will be focused on communist revolutions, or major conflicts which affected them. Russia's involvement in the First World War lit the fuse on the Russian powder keg, and was directly resposible for Lenin's Bolshevik Revolution. (The Germans were in fact, directly responsible for sending him back to Russia from his exile) The uprisings in Berlin involved socialist/communist revolutionary elements, and WW2 obviously had a huge effect on the state of communism, the redistribution of teritory after the war created the Cold War era Soviet Bloc. The Communist Revolution in Cuba hardly needs explanation. The wars in the Middle East during the seventies, (I assume this refers to the Yom Kippur, or Ramadan War) involved Soviet backed and supplied arab states, Egypt, Syria, and Lebonon, to name a few. But any present day scenarios would not involve powerful communist states, unless you count China, which by now is essentialy an authoritarian system with a socialist PR program.

My question is, does the storyline directly pertain to communist events and ideaologies, or are they simply cover for shadier goings on? That is to say, are these events being set in motion simply because they are the logical circumstances and ideologies to manipulate within their time period's political climate, or is the idealogy itself created and manipulated because it reflects that of the factions involved?

Anyways, interested to see where you'll be going with this, there are precious few games which include a halfway decent storyline these days, and it's very nice to see someone making an effort.


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You've touched up on a number of key points in the game, and I applaud your knowledge in the field. As far as the answer to your questions:

YHTWAS

(you'll have to wait and see)

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 Post subject: History
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I think that all the incorporation of History and these famose revolutionary movements is a breath of fresh air. It will set this game apart from all the others. Like I stated before, I think it would be cool to be on the side of the revolution for a change. To see the storyline, and even play alongside iconic personalities like Che Guevara, would be cool. I can't wait...I anticipate this game more and more every time I'm here.


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That is seriously music to our ears. We definitely went out on a limb here with the story and design of Alliance, breaking with most of the traditional angles that games take. To hear you guys getting into it is fantastic. I can't wait to share the finished package with you all!

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Keep up the good work guys upto yet this game looks like a MASSIVE hit

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 Post subject: Re: History
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Sgt.Anthony wrote:
and even play alongside iconic personalities like Che Guevara, would be cool.


Just as long as I get to play the other side and put a bullet in that Soci-Marxist's noggin.

I'm quite eager to pit a squad of Seals against everything Che can muster up against me.


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Along the same lines Im curious to see if you include counter-revolutions (i.e. Hungary 1956).


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Hungary was a massacre, I'd say. Our forces used aviation at full-scale and it all didn't last for long.

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:51 pm 
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Hi,

This historical context of this game does sound fascinating. I really hope it doesn't succumb to the usual right-wing politically correct hoopla that makes many fps games a real disappointment, idea-wise. In particular it would be a real shame if it showed socialist/communist revolutionary forces being portrayed as simply pawns of other sinister forces and essentially surrogate "bad-guys".

Historical balance is important, I think, in historical fiction such as certain video games are becoming. We hear a lot about the negative but there are many positive things to be said of the effects of the various revolutions that have taken place.

As an Accountant i would have to say I also think there is a gap in the market for games which contain such a balance. Of course any such balance will be immediately attacked as being "reds under the beds" by a significant section of the massive US market in particular.

Theres an awful lot of left leaning gamers in europe though, and precious little to satiate our appettites...

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I just wanna say, which ever side we play ...

I just want to request the developers the chance of putting a bullet in CHE's and Fidel's head. And maybe the chance of doing it to all the other dictators of other countries.

Not getting political here, it is just a reaction to what those figures have done to my country.

Anyways, I cant wait to get my hands on the game, Keep up the good work.


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probably che, but not castro, the developer said the game will respect the course of the current history.

anyway, in multiplayer, you will probably get this opportunity, and i will probably be one of the commies you will try to kill! i have nothing against it, its just a game at all, and if you are really cuban, it will just be normal to take your revenge on someone, and i am volunteer!

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beccause without ennemy like the soviet union, video games would be boring


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Haha, good points all around people.


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mikey1871 wrote:
Hi,

This historical context of this game does sound fascinating. I really hope it doesn't succumb to the usual right-wing politically correct hoopla that makes many fps games a real disappointment, idea-wise. In particular it would be a real shame if it showed socialist/communist revolutionary forces being portrayed as simply pawns of other sinister forces and essentially surrogate "bad-guys".

Historical balance is important, I think, in historical fiction such as certain video games are becoming. We hear a lot about the negative but there are many positive things to be said of the effects of the various revolutions that have taken place.

As an Accountant i would have to say I also think there is a gap in the market for games which contain such a balance. Of course any such balance will be immediately attacked as being "reds under the beds" by a significant section of the massive US market in particular.

Theres an awful lot of left leaning gamers in europe though, and precious little to satiate our appettites...

Kind Regards,

Mikey


Very well put there! I agree to 100%. Let's keep the game on an objective point of view when it comes to politics.

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mikey1871 wrote:
Hi,

This historical context of this game does sound fascinating. I really hope it doesn't succumb to the usual right-wing politically correct hoopla that makes many fps games a real disappointment, idea-wise. In particular it would be a real shame if it showed socialist/communist revolutionary forces being portrayed as simply pawns of other sinister forces and essentially surrogate "bad-guys".

Historical balance is important, I think, in historical fiction such as certain video games are becoming. We hear a lot about the negative but there are many positive things to be said of the effects of the various revolutions that have taken place.

As an Accountant i would have to say I also think there is a gap in the market for games which contain such a balance. Of course any such balance will be immediately attacked as being "reds under the beds" by a significant section of the massive US market in particular.

Theres an awful lot of left leaning gamers in europe though, and precious little to satiate our appettites...

Kind Regards,

Mikey


You certainly have an interesting take on how you think the US market/people will react to things. Not to mention the supposed radical right lean of FPS.

Heh, Reds under the beds... Haven't heard that since the mid 80s, even then it was an old holdover. So it's pertinence to any contemporary discussion is, well, nil. Do you really hold that much contempt for old US ideologies that you actually think catch-phrases that died out over two decades ago still hold relevance?


I'm all for realistic games that are historicaly accurate. But your take on this situation; take off the tinfoil hat, put down the Kool-Aid. Stop reading The Guardian, they aren't giving you a realistic view of American culture...


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Hopefully were fighting with the communists.....If this evil shadow organization has been funding communist uprisings for the past 90 years the game is going to be stupid in my opinion for single player at least. There have been way too many anti communist games out there since the 80's and as a socialist I find it disgusting.


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Blackriot wrote:
Hopefully were fighting with the communists.....If this evil shadow organization has been funding communist uprisings for the past 90 years the game is going to be stupid in my opinion for single player at least. There have been way too many anti communist games out there since the 80's and as a socialist I find it disgusting.


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Muhler wrote:
Blackriot wrote:
Hopefully were fighting with the communists.....If this evil shadow organization has been funding communist uprisings for the past 90 years the game is going to be stupid in my opinion for single player at least. There have been way too many anti communist games out there since the 80's and as a socialist I find it disgusting.


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AeroCmdr wrote:
Muhler wrote:
Blackriot wrote:
Hopefully were fighting with the communists.....If this evil shadow organization has been funding communist uprisings for the past 90 years the game is going to be stupid in my opinion for single player at least. There have been way too many anti communist games out there since the 80's and as a socialist I find it disgusting.


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lol glad to know Im not alone. :)

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Hey, I'm new to the Alliance community, but I have a personal opinion from one of the quotes:

Tango Lima 832 wrote:
Hungary was a massacre, I'd say. Our forces used aviation at full-scale and it all didn't last for long.


I know this already might have been discussed. Yes, it was a massacre, thanks for the soviet forces. On the 23rd October 1956 a revolt started where hungarian people wanted to get rid of the communist terror in our country. It all started as a 'peaceful' revolt, but the communist leaders, such as Hrushchov thought this is a fascist revolt. So they sent dozens (or hundreds) of tanks in Budapest, to stop this revolt. The citizens tried to explain to the soviet soldiers, that this is a peaceful revolt for freedom, and they are not going to harm anyone. Suddenly hell gone loose, when unknown forces (still not discussed if they were hungarians, or soviets, or an other force) took gunshots on the soldiers next to the Parlament from rooftops, and the soviet troops started shooting everyone around them. This is the time when weapon attacks started and took more weeks to stop. Because the soviets killed innocent lives some hungarians started killing communists (such as co-leaders, but especially AVO officers - the secret communst police agents). After a few weeks with no hope that any of the other countries will help us, the '56 revolt failed and those who took place in it were killed or jailed after extremely strict lawsuits.

Sorry for the long reply, just thought I make clear, how it became a bloodbath, and how it was like. :roll:

Also it's a very important scenery of the 20th century history, and also keep in mind, that the 50th anniversary will be this year's 23rd October.

Well... have a nice day :P


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