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I thought this was going to happen recently with the Ukraine 'Orange revolution', I think the only thing that stopped it was because the Worlds Media was there watching.

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I know this already might have been discussed. Yes, it was a massacre, thanks for the soviet forces. On the 23rd October 1956 a revolt started where hungarian people wanted to get rid of the communist terror in our country. It all started as a 'peaceful' revolt, but the communist leaders, such as Hrushchov thought this is a fascist revolt. So they sent dozens (or hundreds) of tanks in Budapest, to stop this revolt. The citizens tried to explain to the soviet soldiers, that this is a peaceful revolt for freedom, and they are not going to harm anyone. Suddenly hell gone loose, when unknown forces (still not discussed if they were hungarians, or soviets, or an other force) took gunshots on the soldiers next to the Parlament from rooftops, and the soviet troops started shooting everyone around them. This is the time when weapon attacks started and took more weeks to stop. Because the soviets killed innocent lives some hungarians started killing communists (such as co-leaders, but especially AVO officers - the secret communst police agents). After a few weeks with no hope that any of the other countries will help us, the '56 revolt failed and those who took place in it were killed or jailed after extremely strict lawsuits.

I read the gunfire was began by ex-wehrmacht German mercenaries hired by CIA who wanted USSR to kill civilians and get a reason to start a nuclear war against USSR...

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I thought this was going to happen recently with the Ukraine 'Orange revolution', I think the only thing that stopped it was because the Worlds Media was there watching.

I was on the streets too - on the counter-revolution side - because I dont want NATO bases on my ground.

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I read the gunfire was began by ex-wehrmacht German mercenaries hired by CIA who wanted USSR to kill civilians and get a reason to start a nuclear war against USSR...


Please tell me your joking.

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Please tell me your joking.
I am telling its a version of what happened - nobody knows the truth now. But I always consider a bad joke when talking about USA bringing freedom and democracy worldwide.

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Tango Lima 832 wrote:
I read the gunfire was began by ex-wehrmacht German mercenaries hired by CIA who wanted USSR to kill civilians and get a reason to start a nuclear war against USSR...


I personally don't think it's true. In that case CIA got his 'civilian bloodbath', but they didn't do anything about it, to stop, to help, or anything...


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I personally don't think it's true. In that case CIA got his 'civilian bloodbath', but they didn't do anything about it, to stop, to help, or anything...
Likely. Still there are witnesses that those people were Germans.

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I personally don't think it's true. In that case CIA got his 'civilian bloodbath', but they didn't do anything about it, to stop, to help, or anything...
Likely. Still there are witnesses that those people were Germans.


There might have been Germans there but Im 98% sure they were not there at the behest of the US.

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The CIA were very active in fomenting unrest in Eastern Bloc countries. The Ukraine Springs directly to mind. Even if they weren't in Hungry (although since they were everywhere else...) the fear of their involvement can only be considered a sensible paranoia at worst.


Actually I think there are still plenty of Cold War hang overs left in the world.
Western attitudes to Iran, Syria and North Korea are good examples of it. (Americans and Cuba another). They sided with the Soviets and have never been forgiven.

As for objective views on politics, no such thing is possible. Better to take a point of view and explore it.



I too would very intrested to play on the communist side. I think I've pretty much explored the capitalist side in oh so many games before. I can play either happily of course, only one is more intresting to me than the other. The one I know least about.
No offense to my esteemed American brothers, but I've played as an American in almost every shooter I've ever seen. I'm not American, this isn't a selling point.


I also forsee any too strongly themed politics alienating parts of the market. A big "America saves the world" theme will nerf European sales, but likewise a big "Communism is righteous" theme will nerf U.S. sales.

C.F. tongue biting.

Hopefully an intresting theme that will allow us to explore elements of both in a new light is a good compromise.

I didn't enjoy Brothers In Arms or Full Spectrum Warrior solely because of their themes. They did not translate well to the market outside of the U.S.
BIA was positively offensive, I had to turn it off and despite excellent reviews, Full Spectrum Warrior never got a looksie.
Ghost Recon 2 for the Xbox was a game about war in Korea. Korea the worlds second largest Xbox market although a specifically targetted audience, banned it.

War themes on the global market is a sensetive one. I think if you allow people to play as both sides of any conflict you are always onto a winner.


One of the better marketing tricks that works is to allow charcter selection from a number of nations. In games such as Rainbow Six or Ghost Recon or Hidden And Dangerous it was possible to play a character from just about every game buying nation. I don't expect equiping them with national identity weapons will be a problem, but uniforms is some extra fun to consider.



As a scenraio I would very much like to play in Afghanistan. The same map 3 times. Afghans vs British, Afghans Vs Russians, Afghans Vs Nato. (maybe even Afghans vs Afghans).






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I was on the streets too - on the counter-revolution side - because I dont want NATO bases on my ground.


I have to say I don't my Nato bases on your ground either. Should Ukraine join Nato, it would be time for the British to quit. That's not to say we wouldn't be willing to send military help (not that you would ever need it), but just that making an alliance so far from our military influence would be pointless and could very well commit us to a war with Russia without possibility of victory. (Not to mention it is just plain disrespectful to theRussians).
We learn't our lesson with Poland.
We declared war with Germany to support them, but we couldn't reach them. They were beyond our sphere of military influence. We "won" the war, but never managed to liberate Poland. What a pointless and unhelpful alliance that turned out to be.


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there is good reason we have a bad additude to Iran. you don't see any of the countrys the usa likes going out every friday and chanting death to america now do you ?

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You know why they sing that I suppose?

Because the U.S. supported an oppresive regime as it was ostensibly anti-communist.
They don't just chant death to America because they don't like John Wayne movies and Coca Cola.
(Not to mention sponsoring Iraq in an eightyear long war against them during which tens of thousands would die to all manner of western made bombs and WMD).

The root of that enemity lies in the cold war power struggle.


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Wich is true but if they really wanna blame someone for those deaths they should blame there leader who sent them into battle unarmed.
Thousands of unarmed men charging well armed postions and they wanna blame us.

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Equally I might say that had U.S. airports had any decent security or armed pilots, 9/11 would never have happened and they only have themselves to blame. But that would be a very loony way of looking at things.

They blame America, because America directly attacked them and funded, equiped and encouraged their enemies to do the same. Had they not been attacked at all, no one would have died, armed or unarmed.

Deriding their military tactics isn't going to change any of that.


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If i'm not mistaken we trained there army and funded there build up befor that militant islamic uprising they had. The Ayatollah is no better a leader then the one we were backing but hopfuly things will change over there. From my understanded the Iranian youth don't like being ruled by militant islamic mad men anymore then we like them being ruled by them.

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/p/pawl ... 031704.htm

The problem is there is gonna be a fight befor the end of it and we are gonna be involved.

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yes they were unarmed because they were poor and had no weapons. At least they had the balls to attack rather then get gunned down like a helpless dog. Look at Iran now, there doing fine despite what the American media portrays. Advice to some on this forum. STOP WATCHING FOX NEWS AND ANY OTHER FORM OF MEDIA FUNDED BY RIGHT WING ZIONISTS!

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yes they were unarmed because they were poor and had no weapons. At least they had the balls to attack rather then get gunned down like a helpless dog. Look at Iran now, there doing fine despite what the American media portrays. Advice to some on this forum. STOP WATCHING FOX NEWS AND ANY OTHER FORM OF MEDIA FUNDED BY RIGHT WING ZIONISTS!
So watch CNN? :lol: j/king

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I'am not lived up to be a right wing. But some times they do things better, even if they ment to save the people in first place. Their only real intrest, is money and the fact to make people to work to survive. Not like in other poor counties, ruled by thugs, there they sell dougthers to be sex-slaves to us. I live to work and i support the right wings. Cus the fact remains. No work and you are nothing.


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I dunno i guess i'm in the middle, but politians (at least in the US) hate that. When your old enough to get a license to drive the very first thing they ask you to do is register yourself as a republican or democrat... i think there also a line for "other" and "commie" as well... lol just in case you like to have a red flag (no pun intended) put next to your name if there's another witch hunt.

One one hand i agree with the idea that you have to earn your place and that you should be allowed to keep what you earn, and not be punished for making more money. (example.. Yay i got a raise!! Oh no i'm in a new tax bracket, now i take home less than i did before the raise because i have more taxes taken out.. WTF!!?!?)

On the other hand it really bugs me when i see more fortunate people complaining about how bad they have it. "oh i don't like my new H2, it just feels too big, maybe i'll should trade in for an BMW.." while the guy next to them in line you know is just trying to get enough money to put food on his table. Ya sorta wish that they're was some ethical inclination for people who's struggle in life is to go from luxury to luxury to help out the less fortunate..... but who's to say when that mysterious line exsists??


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It's true. They have hard to see it from our point of view, like as we have hard to see it from their point of view.


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Socialism is true democracy. Communism on the other hand never happened, the Soviet Union was a totalitarian state ruled by the rich bueracrats although in the 60's and 70's it started to persue more of a true communistic role boasting one of the best educated,well fed, and funded people on the globe. Sadly they put too much emphesis into the military to fight against NATO and other imperialists.


www.socialistaction.org

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Socialism is true democracy. Communism on the other hand never happened, the Soviet Union was a totalitarian state ruled by the rich bueracrats although in the 60's and 70's it started to persue more of a true communistic role boasting one of the best educated,well fed, and funded people on the globe. Sadly they put too much emphesis into the military to fight against NATO and other imperialists.


www.socialistaction.org



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