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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:18 am 
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Socialism is true democracy. Communism on the other hand never happened, the Soviet Union was a totalitarian state ruled by the rich bueracrats although in the 60's and 70's it started to persue more of a true communistic role boasting one of the best educated,well fed, and funded people on the globe. Sadly they put too much emphesis into the military to fight against NATO and other imperialists.


www.socialistaction.org


Don't come here and start preying that, communism never happend. Communism is the opposite side to Nazism. It have been there from 1945. The Communist bastards done war against Finland to own ground agains the closing up Nazis. Finland lost a whole island becurse a finnish commu political give away it to russia. Communism is for people who don't know what's best for them selfs, who don't know what loyality is for own country, who always helping out the poor guy and even helping him out if he is the bad man. This is true crimes of life. So fuck communism. Hell with it. You can even trust more on a Nazi.

Socialims is a cover up name for the new era of Communism. So STFU!
I'am glad that Bush makes the threads to thin out for Terrorism, that the most of the "socialist" communist and even some democrat people support with money and sympathy. Like i said before.

"Communism is for people who don't know what's best for them selfs, who don't know what loyality is for own country,
who always helping out the poor guy and even helping him out if he is the bad man".

THIS IS FACTA

Communism is a nice idea on the paper, but this idea will never work in real life.

MORE FACTA

The communists of Russia moved people from their farms if they made a bad harvest a year and taken over that farm to the Russian coverment. Is that nice to make homeless people, becurse they are so called traitors of mother Russia for a bloody "BAD HARVEST". No no no. Wake up. That is to build up a slavery to communism.


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How did heroicme find this place?


What is the word "heroicme", meaning ? Don't know that word, can't even find out somewhere, what it means. New word ?


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Keep things civilized. I know politics is a practically impossible issue to have a civilized debate about, but try harder.

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Im sorry, that was flippant.

Heroicme is from another forum Chaunsey and myself frequent. He is very left wing, or thats what he says.

Ill come up with an actual response soon.

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Left wing in USA must do a "Country without dreams". I know loads of old left wings. But they had to change side, when they started to make some heavy money. Now, they standing on the right wing. With loads of money and are hated by their entire "old" left wing side. But, wtf they have their own deserved money they maked on their own dreams. Left wings are a helpless political side of non thinkers and a young unexpired side. If they are not young and unexpired, they are alcoholic and wasted on their all dreams... Try to live to communism and still own your own company... LOL... You can't if their is not a communism revolution in your country.


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Left wing in USA must do a "Country without dreams". I know loads of old left wings. But they had to change side, when they started to make some heavy money. Now, they standing on the right wing. With loads of money and are hated by their entire "old" left wing side. But, wtf they have their own deserved money they maked on their own dreams. Left wings are a helpless political side of non thinkers and a young unexpired side. If they are not young and unexpired, they are alcoholic and wasted on their all dreams... Try to live to communism and still own your own company... LOL... You can't if their is not a communism revolution in your country.



to paraphrase winston churchill, if you're under 30 and a conservative, you have no heart, if you're over 30 and a liberal, you have no brain.

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It seems to me that kneejerk members of both parties have remarkably few views on actual issues. The rivalry between the two has become the primary issue in and of itself, and the challenges facing the country are left by the wayside when not being used as a tool in the constant mudslinging.

Also, it's rather bizarre that so many people label themselves unilaterally as a COMMUNIST, SOCIALIST, or CAPITALIST and then spout loads of whatever rhetoric they think best suits that image. In reality, politics, history, and socio-economic reality is infinitely more complicated than it is portrayed to be, particularly by politicians.

Unfortunately, the effort required to examine each issue logically and objectively requires far more effort than most people are willing to expend. However, in any country which reserves the right to vote, and in those that don't as well, the opinion of the public ultimately dictates who is in power, and thereby, who lives and who dies, who is rich and who is poor, and every other aspect of governing a country. If the voter, or the revolutionary, isn't willing to think long and hard about their choices and what effects they will have, they should put down the ballot; or the gun.


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Left wing in USA must do a "Country without dreams". I know loads of old left wings. But they had to change side, when they started to make some heavy money. Now, they standing on the right wing. With loads of money and are hated by their entire "old" left wing side. But, wtf they have their own deserved money they maked on their own dreams. Left wings are a helpless political side of non thinkers and a young unexpired side. If they are not young and unexpired, they are alcoholic and wasted on their all dreams... Try to live to communism and still own your own company... LOL... You can't if their is not a communism revolution in your country.



Helpless political side of non thinkers? You sound like a neo-con. For all of you who think socialism is dead look around people. Western capitalism is on its last leg the U.S. is 5 trillion $ in debt and its infastructrue is falling apart day by day, China will be the next world power and many nations are starting to go to the left. Some examples are Bolivia and Venezuala. But im through arguing you'll see in due time. :lol:

Capitalism largly contributes to global warming aswell if you look at it wastfulness and capitalism go together llike peanut butter and jelly. Hoprfully some of you will be smart enough to comprehend this so I won't have to make examples.....

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there is good reason we have a bad additude to Iran. you don't see any of the countrys the usa likes going out every friday and chanting death to america now do you ?


Well perhaps if you actually researched the topic you'd understand why they hate the U.S. THE U.S. SUPPLIED SADDAM WITH CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO GO TO WAR WITH IRAN!


Wouldn't you hate a country that caused the deaths of thousands of your countrymen?

To Chaunsey: How is socialism slavery to the state? Free healthcare, education, and housing should be provided by all governments.

Look at it this way: Why should one pay to live as a normal human bieng? Shouldn't governments provide the basics in return for a productive citizen?

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Blackriot wrote:
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there is good reason we have a bad additude to Iran. you don't see any of the countrys the usa likes going out every friday and chanting death to america now do you ?

To Chaunsey: How is socialism slavery to the state? Free healthcare, education, and housing should be provided by all governments.

Look at it this way: Why should one pay to live as a normal human bieng? Shouldn't governments provide the basics in return for a productive citizen?


The state don't get any new taxes to them, if they don't get payed by the industries and workers. If you make everything free in one country, like healthcare, education and housing. Who needs to really work to your industries of your own country. The stuppied ones? Or should we move or sell all our industries to China and Taiwan ? Cus, nobody needs to work in west anymore. To be real. I don't really belive in any politics anymore and their thoughts in our countries. They are all fasists. Not left-wings or right-wings, only money and power talks to them who have political power. Do you really think they care about us people or where the industries of one country is. They only move with those, they have the freedom and money to do so. Do you have it ?!?


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See I just research issues, form informed semi-biased opinions and then choose a side, which could change if I am persuaded well enough. I'm not a big fan of the whole party system mostly because it is very restrictive on what my option are for my "opinions". So I don't really classify myself as anything more than an independent, which in itself if restrictive. Damn why couldn't Marxism just work hah.


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Well you all need to do a little research is all, Before you agree or disagree on a subject as important as politics.


Here is some information, It should clear your opinion.

http://www.socialistaction.org/whenamerica.htm

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Blackriot wrote:
Well you all need to do a little research is all, Before you agree or disagree on a subject as important as politics.


Here is some information, It should clear your opinion.

http://www.socialistaction.org/whenamerica.htm



I skimmed that website and that shouln't clear any ones opinion it is propoganda, much like conspiracy theorists websites.

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The problem in the US is not that we are to socialist or to capitalist. Rather its the way Socialism and Capitalism are combined. My beef is mostly with the privatization of public resources (eg water rights) and the aid given to corporations. If the government wants to play favorites, give life support to companies with failing business models, and hand out no-bid contracts, the government should be running the companies. Our Political Parties (both of them) need to commit to a socialist or a capitalist (or some defined combination thereof) approach to the free market.


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The working class is the majority therefore they will have control sooner or later. :lol:

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Arguably a bit of socialism is a good thing because it keeps the work force in usable condition even during economic downswing.

That's the argument for statue subsidised healthcare and certainly education - you want your workforce to be reasonably intelligent and in good health. A stupid sickly workforce is of basically no use to anyone.

You could also make the same case for housing under some circumstances I guess - if vital categories of workers can't live near enough to their jobs to provide a service (i.e. nurses, paramedics, ambulance drivers, policemen can't really afford to live in some bits of London).

I'm also hella dubious of all this "Public sector = encroaching totalitarianism" stuff. It just doesn't seem to work like that in Blighty.

The Private sector seem about as guilty of "totalitarianism" (I find conspiracy theories from both sides just as stupid) and in a lot of cases are even less efficient (most of the state owned industries that got privatised promptly went all to pot with MRSA and rail disasters ago-go :| ).

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I'm also hella dubious of all this "Public sector = encroaching totalitarianism" stuff. It just doesn't seem to work like that in Blighty.


That would be a matter of opinion.

In my opinion blighty has been a totalitarian state for my entire lifetime.

My house can be searched without warrant. (Inland Revenue)
My body can be searched without warrant. (Stop and Search)
I can be (and have been) arrested held without cause, charge or access to legal advise. (1986 prevention of terrorism Act).
I may not gather in the street in groups of larger than 5 people. (Criminal Jusrtice Bill).
My every move is monitored by CCTV, credit card record, email scanning, mobile phone record and god knows what else.
I have no freedom of speech. If I shout "kill niggers" I may be arrested.
I am not even able to publicaly protest without state permission.


And then there are a whole load of laws and restirictions placed upon me with almost a new one each day.
Here's a few that I have seen in my lifetime.

I must wear a seat belt.
I may not hunt with dogs.
I must use a baby seat in my car and a booster seat for children.
I may not drive and talk on the phone.
Soon I will not be able to smoke in pubs. Not even pubs owned ran and solely frequented by smokers.
I may not copy my CD and give it to a friend.

I could go on for hours with the list, but I'll spare you the rant.


Next on the state agenda are further freedom of travel restrictions, (ID cards, satelitte tracking in cars, more congestion charge systems). A nationwide DNA database of the population. (They already have mine). And a rolling out of the facial recognition programs used in many city centres' CCTV.

In my opinion the purpose of laws is to protect society. It is morally wrong to harm another either by action or inaction. The purpose of the law is to protect us from the adverse interference of others and to protect others from adverse interference by us.
None of my above given list falls into this catagory.


The political classes, are above the law and also use the law to "do good" or to "engineer society" in fashions they favour. And since we live in an unarmed democracy every minority pursuit can be legislated against without trouble. (Ban gingers!).

So not only am I not allowed to shout "Kill Chinamen" in my own home, I'm not allowed to spank my children if they misbehave.
If on an open motorway if my average speed exceeds the limit I am fined automatically.
I can no longer use a sheepdog to protect my lambs from foxes.
I am not even allowed to shoot an armed intruder in my daughters bedroom.
What I may and must teach in class is pre-scripted.
What I may view or read about censored.
My food approved.
My refuse prescribed.
My every financial transaction taxed.
My hobbies under license.
My employment, contractually obliging.
My income all declared.
My property all declared.
My place of residence declared.
Even my religion declared.

In fact I can't think of any single area of my life that the government in "blighty", does not directly attempt to control.

I'm not even free to leave. They charge 40% for that privilage.

Everything here is licensed, regulated or legislated.
40% of the U.K. workforce are employed by the state.
Stalin was a noob.

"Blighty" is quite possibly the single most totalitarian state in the history of man. Are North Koreans so restricted? Somehow I doubt it. The Russians certainly are not.


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Are North Koreans so restricted? Somehow I doubt it.


I was about to type some sort of serious reply but then I got to this bit and my brain broke.

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