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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:37 am 
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Why's everyone listing two primary weapons? :S

I hope there's gonna be some stamina penalty for loading yourself down with that much gear.

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I do believe I read that one could carry two primary weapons, but at a penalty of reduced speed and stamina. At least for me the decision to carry one or two would be based upon how much the two weapons would affect things.


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The decision to carry two primary weapons would inevitably impact your flexability in combat, as pistols are advantageous in many situations.

Anyhow, I'de also really like to see a weight carry system. So, each weapon has a weight and the more weight you are carrying, the slower you move. This system would be inclusive of body armor. This should not depend on the realism setting.

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There need to be penalties otherwise you'll get stuff like people running around with light .50 cal rifles AND a shorty rifle/P90.

Aiming, speed, noise penalties for encumbrance should be in there.

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adaam93 wrote:
WWII:
Thompson
Mosin-Nagant
1911

Mid-Century:
FN-FAL or Galil
M-14 w/scope
1911

Modern Day:
H&K 416
Mark 12 Mod X Special Purpose Rifle
H&K .40 USP


Well you are gonna be an easy target.


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How so? If you're saying I'll be too incumbered to move quickly, I would be taking that into account, and maybe not use two primaries if they affected my stats greatly. And if that's not the reason, explain.


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How so? If you're saying I'll be too incumbered to move quickly, I would be taking that into account, and maybe not use two primaries if they affected my stats greatly. And if that's not the reason, explain.

I think he was referring to your encumbrance as that's not quite a light load.

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adaam93 wrote:
How so? If you're saying I'll be too incumbered to move quickly, I would be taking that into account, and maybe not use two primaries if they affected my stats greatly. And if that's not the reason, explain.


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WWII:
Thompson
Mosin-Nagant
1911
The Thompson is not a light firearm. Again around the 20's


Mid-Century:
FN-FAL or Galil
M-14 w/scope
1911
Thats almost 20-26lbs of equipment without ammo.

Modern Day:
H&K 416
Mark 12 Mod X Special Purpose Rifle
H&K .40 USP
Almost around the low 20's in weight.


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I agree with your assesment, but

A) This is something soldiers have to deal with in real life.

B) As I have said, if carrying these weapons would affect my in-game stats, I would rethink my choices and possibly change them.

And finally, just because I could possibly be slow doesn't mean I wouldn't be dangerous.


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You probably won't be able to carry two primary weapons.

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Are you sure, I do believe it was said somewhere that we would be able to. And earlier in this thread Sox didn't dispute that.


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I don't believe that it has been officially stated anywhere that it will be possible to carry two primary weapons.

If Sox didn't dispute it, it's almost certainly due to the fact that he's very busy.

That's why a long standing membership is important. You know thngs like this.


Oh yeah, if you're carrying that much, it will take a long time to get from point A to B. Also, the fact that you can only use one weapon at a time in conjucntion withthe drastic reduction in speed will make you a sitting duck. It's not like you can dual wield two asault rifles.

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I could have swore that I had seen one could carry two primaries but I could be wrong, we'll have to wait until the game comes out to see.

And I'm glad you're acting as Sox's own personal messenger, would you pass some things along for me?

Well, with your infinite wisdom would you fill me in on some more "thngs"?

I realize more weight would make me slower, I've stated that many times, but that doesn't make one less deadly. And no, I never thought I could dual wield assault rifles, or anything for that matter. That is a farce of Hollywood and I am glad to see the devs will probably not allow players to do so with pistols, please don't insult my intelligence like that.


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I never intended to act as his "personal messenger." This kind of sarcastic misreperesentation ain't appreciated.

The departure of Sox constites basic info. Anyone would have told you the same thng.

What do you want to be fille din on? Go read the Alliance Question thread. It contains all the essential information and then some. I doubt Sox will anwer his PM, but you're welcome to make an attempt.

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I realize more weight would make me slower, I've stated that many times, but that doesn't make one less deadly. And no, I never thought I could dual wield assault rifles, or anything for that matter. That is a farce of Hollywood and I am glad to see the devs will probably not allow players to do so with pistols, please don't insult my intelligence like that.

Well, then if you were aware that the ability to dual wield assault rifles was out of the question, how else could you have concluded that carrying one will make you more deadly?



Dammit. My head hurts now. I haven't had this kind of discussion in awhile..

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By carrying two different types of weapons I would be able to operate in more situations. A person can't snipe with a Thompson, and a person can't assualt a enemy position with a sniper rifle.


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yeah, I realized that, but being shot at by someone is going to reduce the commulative capabilities of two guns. You'll generally want to fire back, so swiotching weapons won't be a viable option.

I suppose it would be advantageous if you catch someone off guard.


But then again, you CAN't carry two primary guns. It's an FPS design convention.

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adaam93 wrote:
I could have swore that I had seen one could carry two primaries but I could be wrong, we'll have to wait until the game comes out to see.

And I'm glad you're acting as Sox's own personal messenger, would you pass some things along for me?

Well, with your infinite wisdom would you fill me in on some more "thngs"?

I realize more weight would make me slower, I've stated that many times, but that doesn't make one less deadly. And no, I never thought I could dual wield assault rifles, or anything for that matter. That is a farce of Hollywood and I am glad to see the devs will probably not allow players to do so with pistols, please don't insult my intelligence like that.


Now you're acting like an arse.

He's seriously trying to help you. He's not trying to contrive situations in which to make you look like a imbicile.

You can carry multiple primaries, you will not be able to dual wield ANYTHING (just need to make a point here, don't want to have another thread about it). Sure you'll be twice as deadly because you have an FAL and an StG44, but you'll also be moving as fast as someone who has just gotten their money's worth at a buffet.

Truth be told, the longer you're here, the more you know. There is a lot of info that is diffused throughout this forum that is not shared any place else, so please, when you've got more than an hour to spare, read up on the stickies (yes they are 25+ pages long) and even a few of the more popular threads to understand where the game is at right now.

By the way, being rude about typos doesn't make you smarter or wittier.

*EDIT*

Just saw the last two posts made while I was posting.

Again, you will be able to carry multiple primary/secondary firearms, but it will be detrimental to your speed and maneuverability.

There is no restriction in FPSs to have only one primary. Look at CoD, Quake, FEAR, and more that I don't really care to name right now.

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.:}_50cA{_|neostyles:. wrote:
The departure of Sox constites basic info. Anyone would have told you the same thng.

Gotta love the fact that having posted much, much earlier today and pretty much every single week since the site went live (except 1.5 while I was at a conference) means that I'm an absentee landlord.

The weapon carry limit as it now stands is 2 primary weapons max at lower realism levels and EITHER 1 or 2 max at higher levels (at all levels you'll suffer a penalty for weight carried). That number probably won't be finalized for higher realism levels until after beta testing has been started and completed.

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Thank you, although, I will probably play at higher realism levels, so I'm partially wrong.


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Sox34 wrote:
.:}_50cA{_|neostyles:. wrote:
The departure of Sox constites basic info. Anyone would have told you the same thng.

Gotta love the fact that having posted much, much earlier today and pretty much every single week since the site went live (except 1.5 while I was at a conference) means that I'm an absentee landlord.

The weapon carry limit as it now stands is 2 primary weapons max at lower realism levels and EITHER 1 or 2 max at higher levels (at all levels you'll suffer a penalty for weight carried). That number probably won't be finalized for higher realism levels until after beta testing has been started and completed.
hopfuly a small enough smg wont hurt your weight to much


ps. sox are you noticing neo or should i say fear is agrovating

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